Just Ordered the Silvio 2.0 Frameset

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Saw that the new 2.0 frameset was now in the "for sale" section, so went ahead and placed an order.  Will transfer parts from my Silvio 1.0.  Not sure what production timing is, but hopefully won't be too long.

Although I know others have differing opinions and preferences, I'm personally excited about the new lower seat angle--that had been my only complaint on the 1.0.  I had been considering going to the Vendetta, but had not pulled the trigger because I don't have a lot of "open roads" to ride on and didn't want that much recline for all the stopping and starting I have to do.  I also think/hope the new Silvio will be more appealing to the road bike-type crowd as the improved aerodynamics will be much better for club rides, centuries, etc., so hopefully it can help "grow the enterprise" just as the Vendetta has done.

Anyone else placed an order?

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I can't wait 'til you get it

I'm excited to see the latest iteration of the Silvio, so I hope you get yours soon.

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I have also just placed an

I have also just placed an order for Silvio 2.0 - I have ordered a chainstay extension 100mm and SRAM Force with it and will be receiving the group and accessories while I am in Kentucky, US. I will then be returning to Singapore where the frame will be shipped direct from Taiwan. I believe this will be the first Cruzbike in Singapore -- where any recumbent is extremely rare.

Unfortunately, the profile selection will not allow me to choose Singapore. So I'm selecting our nearest country - Malaysia! 
 

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2.0 upgrade

Put an order in today.  Looking forward to riding the upgraded Silvio.   
 

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Thanks for your orders.

Thanks for your orders. Delivery is about a month away, so I hope I can ask for patience as well as all those good vibes I've been hearing. 

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Iavn and and Drew,

Iavn and and Drew, congratulations on your orders. Please take alot of photos of your build process and hopefully we will have an exciting "Silvio 2.0 unboxing and build" thread hear similar to what Eric did for the Vendetta!

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I would kind of like to have

I would kind of like to have a Silvio too...

-Eric

 

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Eric:

Isn't that your plan to buy a Silvio? When you do, you should invite me over for a test ride. I'll buy the post-ride libations.

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That was quick!

John, you nested the prototype quickly!  Wow, it sounds like you nailed it.  Congratulations!  Eric I do hope you buy one and we can watch another wonderful build thread.  Hopefully can gain some insights into raising the seat incline.

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Andrew, come on over now and

Andrew, come on over now and ride the Vendetta!

-Eric
 

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Chai stay Extension?

I'm planning on ordering the Silvio 2.0 and using all the parts from my Silvio 1.0, including my q-ring double. Just curious, why are you ordering the chain stay extension?

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Wish I could order one but

Wish I could order one but will need to save up for many more months possibly years.

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I am not tall at 175cm so can

I am not tall at 175cm so can fit Silvio with our without chainstay extension, but I wanted the higher BB option. I really like the Vendetta medium triangle position and note that Maria is a tad shorter than me. To achieve this position the Silvio's hai stay needs lengthening as one can see from photos that it is shorter than medium Vendetta. I also wanted the boom more horizontal and the handlebars lower, preferably under the knee, again like Vendetta. I think the angle of the boom contributes significantly to the Vendetta aesthetics. This boom angle in Silvio was lowered with the 1.5 curved "nose" and will be lowered further by the chainstay extension. The handlebar height can be changed on Vendetta with stem spacers but I am not sure if Silvio has this capability or note. 

I really appreciate neat cable routing so am very happy that this is improved in Silvio 2.0 too. I have received my groupset and accessories from Jim, and look forward to getting it all built.

Potential buyers in Asia (or anywhere non-US or Australia), the shipping costs form gives a huge US$300 estimate which is understandably off-putting. However the Vendetta and Silvio frameset ships directly from Taiwan (not China, as another post mistakenly stated). I have asked the Parkers to ship from Taiwan to Singapore so the total shipping I paid was the same had I been in the US. Thus, if you get just the frameset and it can be shipped directly from Taiwan, then your shipping will not be horrendous. You will of course have to deal with your own taxes however. 

 

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Any updates on Silvio 2.0 build

Hello Ivan,

Just curious, do you have any updates on your Silvio 2.0 build? Please take some nice pictures of your progress.
 

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I have not received a

I have not received a shipping notice on my Silvio 2.0 frameset yet. Earlier estimates said it would be shipping out of Taiwan around this time. I don't see any posts yet from anyone who has actually received theirs yet...

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This is pretty much the final

This is pretty much the final parts layout for Silvio 2.0.

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Any ETA

Any ETA John? Laughing out loud

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Yes, this week I hope to

Yes, this week I hope to ship.
 

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Hooray

Hooray!

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Looking forward to the first

Looking forward to the first Cruzbike in Singapore...mine! ;) 

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Wow! JT, this looks like a

Wow! JT, this looks like a very complex bicycle.  Probably the production process is more complex than the V due to all those little bits and pieces.  I can see you got rid of the little holes for attaching the seat back to the frame that were there on the prototype. Now it is just Velcro like the V 2.0? 

Looking forward to seeing one fully assembled in action soon.

 

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Lay it out logically

It is a lot of parts, that's true. 

They could be organised more logically. The above is the layout done in the factory. The way I lay it out, it shouldn't look so complex. If you have a Silvio 1.0 or 1.5,the 2.0 will all seem very familiar.

The major parts and where they go

Chainstays and bolts

Headrest

The tricky Titanium link for the rear suspension - left assembles to frame, right assembles to rear stay

Other small parts for steering and boom

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Which main tube decal

Which main tube decal positioning are you using? I see two different setups in these photos.

Also I suggest identifying and clarifying the use of the inline cable adjusters and whatever those other doohickeys are next to them. I know John D received these in his Vendetta package and I see you are now including them in the Silvio. What are those other doohickeys and what are they used for?

Doohickeys cheeky:

-Eric
 

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Frameset Weight?

Yarp, very interested in the new Silvio --

Finished a 50 miler in the mountains on Saturday (Blood Sweat and Gears in Boone NC), and it's time for a better climbing 'bent!

Can you tell us what the basic frameset weighs?
(frame, fork, seat, headrest, rear suspension, handlebars, etc. - but no components or wheels)

And how does the new design weight compare to the Vendetta frame, and to the Silvio 1.5?

And, (annoying question number 3) when will they be 'in stock' over here in the USA?

Here's a hope that there is not a shipping container on a ship in the delivery chain, but I guess that is most economical. 

/pRC

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Hi pRC,  There should be

Hi pRC, 

There should be little difference from the previous model, perhaps 300 grams lighter. So 6.2 kg before wheels and components. 

Vendetta builds are getting under 10 kg, Silvio with dual suspension adds about 1.5 kg.

We are drop shipping direct from Taiwan, since if we are careful we can pack the frameset into a pretty small box. So now, deliveries are within 7 days of order.

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Thanks!

Some beautiful design work on the new frame -- still a bit worried about the one-size-fits-all seat; I spoke with Maria Parker last year about a test ride and I plan to get back in touch (but will give the Parker family a suitable recovery period for the after her amazing effort). 

As an industrial designer gone bad (now a software guy) I know how much work it takes to make iterative changes to a design, but I think it is the best way to get it right in the long run and I applaud your persistence. I love the idea of the road suspension recumbent and the addition of a lower position should make it more attractive to folks like me who cannot quite get over their speedy DF road bike hubris. 

I had reconstructive surgery on my right shoulder in May 2012 (DF/inattentive car accident) and I almost pulled the card out on a Silvio last Summer. Was trussed up tightly for a couple of months before I could start physical therapy, so instead I bought a Performer high racer and spun away for 3 months on a training stand. I've been out on the road for nearly 1000 miles now, and I think I'm ready to graduate from my 'learner' recumbent. I plan to use the new bike mostly as a commuter, I have a nice 17 mile ride to work (39 round trip with a different return route) two-three days a week, plus evening and weekend rides/light touring. 

Yeah, yeah, too much information!

We live about 2 hours away from Lumberton NC, so your info about shipping works into my calculations for when they may have a ridable example on-hand... 

Looking forward to a test ride in a month or so - 

/pRC

 

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brakes and bottles

hi everyone - first time poster here.
just ordered a silvio 2.0 frame kit.
will it accept a standard rear brake caliper or do i need a time trial type low profile one?
also, is there any provision for bottle cage mounting on the boom?
thanks
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hey prc

I live about two hours from Lumberton also. If you find yourself in my area, I would be happy to let you try out my Silvio 1.0.

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The Silvio 2.0 has landed on

The Silvio 2.0 has landed on my doorstep in Singapore, 2 days after leaving Taiwan! Box in excellent condition. Have not opened yet though as I am terribly busy this weekend and dunno when I get to build it as I am going overseas next week! Sad

it accepts standard brake calipers, all standard components except possibly longer chain if you are using chainstay extension. 

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bottle cage mounting on the boom?

Per Mark's Question...
"also, is there any provision for bottle cage mounting on the boom?"

In previous versions of the Silvio, bottle cage mounting were provided in the bottom "metal" seat. I believe the seat is fiberglass in newer version and not sure if mounting holes are provided. Most likely are though.

Do not believe you would want to add the additional weight of water bottle to your front boom.

I actually wear a hiking belt with a water bottle holder. Works great for me. See image below.

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That is a good shot of you

That is a good shot of you Ken. I was wondering how those arm rests would look with you on the bike - pretty cool. What happens when you do really tight turns?

-Eric
 

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thanks for the info ivan and

thanks for the info ivan and ken.
frame currently sitting in uk customs....

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What happens when you do really tight turns?

Eric, Hasn't been an issue over the 3000+ miles I've gone with the arm rest attached. Not sure I could keep my balance when turning any sharper than these allow anyway. At this point in time, I WOULD NOT want to ride my Cruzbike Silvio without my arm rest.

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There are no cage mounting

There are no cage mounting holes on my Silvio 2.0 boom. Unfortunately neither are there on the fiberglass seat. The description on the Silvio page indicates there are but this has probably not been updated. 

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that's a shame no provision

that's a shame no provision has been made for cage mounting, but i am sure it can easily be easily resolved.
is the seat not carbonfibre, as per the description?
 

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It looks like Ken's arms are

94It looks like Ken's arms are a lot more bent than mine are when I ride my Silvio.   My arms are nearly straight when I ride.   I'm not sure if his arms are longer than mine, or if his handlebars are that closer to his chest.  Maybe a little of both.

IOW, I think the best thing you can do with regards to water and the Silvio is a use a Camelbak in a bag behind the seat how Ken has it mounted, or use a rack with trunk bag.   I have a rack with a trunk bag and it works great.  I can carry enough water for a Century, and still have room for spare tires, tools, etc.  I used to have bottles mounted behind the seat but did not like that as they were hard to reach.   It is so convenient to have the camelbak tube just sitting on my chest while I ride.

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http://www.amazon.com/Axiom-Journey-Tubular-Alloy-Black/dp/B002994ES4

bag
http://www.amazon.com/Axiom-Columbus-DLX-Trunk-Bag/dp/B004YIC0IO

Note: This rack and trunk bag are on a Silvio 1.5.  I don't know if they will be compatible with the 2.0's.

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Mark, I unpacked my seat this

Mark, I unpacked my seat this morning and it appears to be carbon fiber on the top, fiberglass on the bottom. You can see Eric's pictures in the Vendetta forum, Vendetta 2.0 unboxing and build thread (sticky thread). My Silvio 2.0 seat looks the same.

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thanks jeremy i thought the

thanks jeremy
i thought the carbon sheathed fibreglass seats were pre-production items.
my frame kit is still sitting in uk customs, so i will have to wait and see when it arrives, but there is a big difference in cost, weight and desirability between the two.